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		<title>By: Johnathan</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with Follower of the book. I researched the text quoted by the speaker it is does not say &quot;that one of the blessings for human beings was that all men and women are equal, regardless of ethnicity, wealth, social positions or even sexual orientation.&quot;

either the author of the blog misquoted the speaker or the speaker had misquoted the source.

Whatever it is, we are all on one Earth. Why can&#039;t we just be one people? wouldn&#039;t be easier if we just stopped fighting about anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with Follower of the book. I researched the text quoted by the speaker it is does not say &#8220;that one of the blessings for human beings was that all men and women are equal, regardless of ethnicity, wealth, social positions or even sexual orientation.&#8221;</p>
<p>either the author of the blog misquoted the speaker or the speaker had misquoted the source.</p>
<p>Whatever it is, we are all on one Earth. Why can&#8217;t we just be one people? wouldn&#8217;t be easier if we just stopped fighting about anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamilah</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamilah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 10:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conclusion is flawed. 

&quot;Homosexuals and homosexuality are natural and created by God, thus permissible within Islam, a discussion concluded here Thursday.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t mean something exists in the world means it&#039;s permissible, unless it&#039;s been stated that it is. Alternatively, what has been stated as unpermissible by Allah S.W.T IS unpermissible.

My view is that it&#039;s fine to lust and be bisexual- but not when you put that lust into action. Regardless whether you&#039;re homo or bi or straight, you&#039;re supposed to be decent anyway, and the only time consummation is allowed is when it&#039;s between two married people.

Homosexuals cannot marry because the union is not recognized in Islam, so why are you homos even having sex?

I&#039;m bisexual myself too, but I seriously think this issue has been warped out of point.

OCCAM&#039;S RAZOR, PLEASE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conclusion is flawed. </p>
<p>&#8220;Homosexuals and homosexuality are natural and created by God, thus permissible within Islam, a discussion concluded here Thursday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean something exists in the world means it&#8217;s permissible, unless it&#8217;s been stated that it is. Alternatively, what has been stated as unpermissible by Allah S.W.T IS unpermissible.</p>
<p>My view is that it&#8217;s fine to lust and be bisexual- but not when you put that lust into action. Regardless whether you&#8217;re homo or bi or straight, you&#8217;re supposed to be decent anyway, and the only time consummation is allowed is when it&#8217;s between two married people.</p>
<p>Homosexuals cannot marry because the union is not recognized in Islam, so why are you homos even having sex?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m bisexual myself too, but I seriously think this issue has been warped out of point.</p>
<p>OCCAM&#8217;S RAZOR, PLEASE!</p>
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		<title>By: FollowerOfTheBook</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>FollowerOfTheBook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author did not state the content of [49:3]

So here it is:

&quot;Surely those who lower their voices in the presence of God&#039;s Messenger, those are they whose hearts God has tested for godfearing; they shall have forgiveness and a mighty wage.&quot; [49:3]

Nothing states there about homosexuality is allowed. And dont say its an indirect meaning, as:

&quot;It is He who sent down upon thee the Book, wherein are verses clear that are the Essence of the Book, and others ambiguous. As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension, and desiring its interpretation; and none knows its interpretation, save only God. And those firmly rooted in knowledge say, &#039;We believe in it; all is from our Lord&#039;; and none will grasp the message except those who think&quot; [3:6]

And remember,

&quot;And there is a sect of them twist their tongues with the Book, that you may suppose it part of the Book, yet it is not part of the Book; and they say, &#039;It is from God,&#039; yet it is not from God, and they speak falsehood against God, and that wittingly.&quot; [3:78]

So, human, read The Book, and think!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author did not state the content of [49:3]</p>
<p>So here it is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Surely those who lower their voices in the presence of God&#8217;s Messenger, those are they whose hearts God has tested for godfearing; they shall have forgiveness and a mighty wage.&#8221; [49:3]</p>
<p>Nothing states there about homosexuality is allowed. And dont say its an indirect meaning, as:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is He who sent down upon thee the Book, wherein are verses clear that are the Essence of the Book, and others ambiguous. As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension, and desiring its interpretation; and none knows its interpretation, save only God. And those firmly rooted in knowledge say, &#8216;We believe in it; all is from our Lord&#8217;; and none will grasp the message except those who think&#8221; [3:6]</p>
<p>And remember,</p>
<p>&#8220;And there is a sect of them twist their tongues with the Book, that you may suppose it part of the Book, yet it is not part of the Book; and they say, &#8216;It is from God,&#8217; yet it is not from God, and they speak falsehood against God, and that wittingly.&#8221; [3:78]</p>
<p>So, human, read The Book, and think!.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-924</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so interesting. Now let me share something with all of your, which i hope might encourage acceptance of the above mentioned. 

I was in Bahrain on a business trip last year, September i think it was. And at that point in time the second wave of allegations against Anwar came about. So i was in a meeting at one of the local banks, sipping coffee and making small talk with these Islamic banking hotshots. As the conversation progressed towards Malaysia and how things were in my country were. The two gentlemen i was speak to we really upset about what was happening to anwar. It was not that they were fans of his. It was the fact that the both of them truly believed that in muslim culture one does not talk about things like this and one especially do not publicize issues like this. 

This leading bahraini went on to say that, things like this happens in every household. But we do not publish it in news papers. It is about respect and acceptance. Everyone is different. 

Now my dear readers, this is not coming from me. These comments are from prominent Bahraini Islmaic bankers. Everyone knows that when it comes to religion, the middle easterns are the most devout. Then if they can come to terms and accept homosexuality, why cant we?

xoxo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so interesting. Now let me share something with all of your, which i hope might encourage acceptance of the above mentioned. </p>
<p>I was in Bahrain on a business trip last year, September i think it was. And at that point in time the second wave of allegations against Anwar came about. So i was in a meeting at one of the local banks, sipping coffee and making small talk with these Islamic banking hotshots. As the conversation progressed towards Malaysia and how things were in my country were. The two gentlemen i was speak to we really upset about what was happening to anwar. It was not that they were fans of his. It was the fact that the both of them truly believed that in muslim culture one does not talk about things like this and one especially do not publicize issues like this. </p>
<p>This leading bahraini went on to say that, things like this happens in every household. But we do not publish it in news papers. It is about respect and acceptance. Everyone is different. </p>
<p>Now my dear readers, this is not coming from me. These comments are from prominent Bahraini Islmaic bankers. Everyone knows that when it comes to religion, the middle easterns are the most devout. Then if they can come to terms and accept homosexuality, why cant we?</p>
<p>xoxo</p>
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		<title>By: Yuki Choe</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-858</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuki Choe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aku adalah aku,

With all due respect, do you mind looking back into Islam and explain to me, because I am curious; why are there so many Islamic laws that are not practised here today? Or why so many Islamic rules are applied differently from one country or another? Am I to be killed for being an &quot;infidel&quot; then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aku adalah aku,</p>
<p>With all due respect, do you mind looking back into Islam and explain to me, because I am curious; why are there so many Islamic laws that are not practised here today? Or why so many Islamic rules are applied differently from one country or another? Am I to be killed for being an &#8220;infidel&#8221; then?</p>
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		<title>By: aku adalah aku</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>aku adalah aku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;homosexuality was from God and should be considered natural&quot;


if u said like that, that mean muslim also can eat pork?can drink beer?
pig and wine also from God, so it natural?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;homosexuality was from God and should be considered natural&#8221;</p>
<p>if u said like that, that mean muslim also can eat pork?can drink beer?<br />
pig and wine also from God, so it natural?</p>
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		<title>By: finch</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sodomy is prohibited in Islam.
Gays (well, mostly) do practice sodomy in their sex life.
So it&#039;s wrong according to Islam.

Unless you&#039;re gay and don&#039;t do sodomy, that&#039;s fine by the religion.

I&#039;m curious about oral sex between men. Is it as wrong as sodomy in the view of Islam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sodomy is prohibited in Islam.<br />
Gays (well, mostly) do practice sodomy in their sex life.<br />
So it&#8217;s wrong according to Islam.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re gay and don&#8217;t do sodomy, that&#8217;s fine by the religion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about oral sex between men. Is it as wrong as sodomy in the view of Islam?</p>
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		<title>By: jiahuilee</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-751</link>
		<dc:creator>jiahuilee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you mean Islam does not accept SEX between two people of the same biological SEX? I have come across a few religious Muslim gay men who agree that anal sex is prohibited in Islam, but who still hold that love between two men is fine and good. The right path which we all have a responsibility to do is to make sure they don&#039;t feel ABNORMAL and SINFUL because loving a person of your sex isn&#039;t wrong. It&#039;s also our responsibility to make sure that people, both gay and not, engage in responsible behavior (ie safe sex).

What do you mean by right path?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean Islam does not accept SEX between two people of the same biological SEX? I have come across a few religious Muslim gay men who agree that anal sex is prohibited in Islam, but who still hold that love between two men is fine and good. The right path which we all have a responsibility to do is to make sure they don&#8217;t feel ABNORMAL and SINFUL because loving a person of your sex isn&#8217;t wrong. It&#8217;s also our responsibility to make sure that people, both gay and not, engage in responsible behavior (ie safe sex).</p>
<p>What do you mean by right path?</p>
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		<title>By: Kasyah</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is clearly stated in the Holy Quran and the authentic Hadith of Prophet Muhammad that Islam does not accept homosexuality, either gay or lesbian. But that does not mean that Islam rejects homosexuals. What is not accepted is the act, not the people. Although the act is prohibited, the people who committed the act should not be isolated from the mainstream society. It is the responsibility of the society to bring them back to right path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clearly stated in the Holy Quran and the authentic Hadith of Prophet Muhammad that Islam does not accept homosexuality, either gay or lesbian. But that does not mean that Islam rejects homosexuals. What is not accepted is the act, not the people. Although the act is prohibited, the people who committed the act should not be isolated from the mainstream society. It is the responsibility of the society to bring them back to right path.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzzy</title>
		<link>http://tiltedworld.org/2008/11/29/islam-recognizes-homosexuality/comment-page-1/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>Muzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kasyah,
i wanna know &quot;why&quot; too
if u can explain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kasyah,<br />
i wanna know &#8220;why&#8221; too<br />
if u can explain it.</p>
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