Comments on: The Ex-Gay Lifestyle. http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/ A Malaysian LGBT Community Project Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:49:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Programs to change gays to straights don’t work, report says | Tilted World http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-1420 Programs to change gays to straights don’t work, report says | Tilted World Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:13:10 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-1420 [...] a follow-up to this article posted on Tilted World by Yuki Choe, this news article is also a response toward ex-gay ministries [...] [...] a follow-up to this article posted on Tilted World by Yuki Choe, this news article is also a response toward ex-gay ministries [...]

]]> By: J.V. New http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-868 J.V. New Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:46:37 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-868 Edison Chong, i not going to talk much, but watch this with an open heart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDiYeJ_bsQo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWZb50p0Tg Edison Chong, i not going to talk much, but watch this with an open heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDiYeJ_bsQo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtWZb50p0Tg

]]> By: Yuki Choe http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-850 Yuki Choe Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:36:20 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-850 I agree with you, A Citizen of the World. Many times these ex-gay minitries concentrate too much on their own views and failed to just let God move into each individual's lives. And the way that followers cling on to every word that ex-gay ministers say without any scrutiny? That is plain idolatry. The use of the Bible to justify one's sense of self righteousness as you implied, are so vivid within the "Real Love Ministry". I agree with you, A Citizen of the World. Many times these ex-gay minitries concentrate too much on their own views and failed to just let God move into each individual’s lives. And the way that followers cling on to every word that ex-gay ministers say without any scrutiny? That is plain idolatry. The use of the Bible to justify one’s sense of self righteousness as you implied, are so vivid within the “Real Love Ministry”.

]]> By: A Citizen of the World http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-849 A Citizen of the World Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:35:48 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-849 gender issues are complicated and when hurt and confusion are in place, we subject ourselves to gender bashing even when people do things out of love. Just focus on the love of God for the perfect love is only through God. No one is an idol and no one should be an idol, even we ourselves. Move the focus to God not merely our views ... which are often prone to self justifications. gender issues are complicated and when hurt and confusion are in place, we subject ourselves to gender bashing even when people do things out of love. Just focus on the love of God for the perfect love is only through God. No one is an idol and no one should be an idol, even we ourselves. Move the focus to God not merely our views … which are often prone to self justifications.

]]> By: John Ong http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-667 John Ong Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:55:04 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-667 I guess Edison is yet to find out the meaning of Christ, the one he uses multiple times, may I suggest living like Christ before using His name to justify injustice. I guess Edison is yet to find out the meaning of Christ, the one he uses multiple times, may I suggest living like Christ before using His name to justify injustice.

]]> By: Yuki Choe http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-664 Yuki Choe Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:36:15 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-664 Oh one more thing. Thank you for praying for me so often. Christ is guiding me to come of age, strength to strength. Could not have done it without your prayers. Looks like even Our Saviour know what is going on. :) Oh one more thing. Thank you for praying for me so often. Christ is guiding me to come of age, strength to strength. Could not have done it without your prayers. Looks like even Our Saviour know what is going on. :)

]]> By: Yuki Choe http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-663 Yuki Choe Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:31:08 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-663 Dear "Edison Chong" aka Edmund and Amuamanda Smith, If you wish to continuously pretend you had done something in my life and act like you had been a hero of some sort, the first thing to do is to be cautious with what you say, especially to a person who still loves what you are doing in other aspects of your ministry, like for the deaf. But I can see I made another wrong sentimental choice in buying a ticket for your RLM annual dinner which I did not attend (can I have a refund?). If you wish to sway people's opinion about me, you have to stop lying. That means you should stop spamming sites using a dozen different identities using the same computer (did you not learn from two years back at Trevvy, formerly SGBoyz when they banned you for spamming?) just to impress people as if there you have tons of ex-gays under your ministry. Mind you, I have spies in your very church in Melaka. I know you only have a few celibate so called "successes" like Jerry See Toh; that goes back to more lying you had done for ages now since you started. I went to your ministry thinking you would help me get rid of the things that was brainwashed into me for boyhood like alcohol and cigarettes, unfortunately you had every intention of getting rid of my "gender confused" female self. Ungrateful? You can stop your lies now. Every word you say in this age is now scrutinized by intelligent people who question what is going on. You forgot that whenever you leave a remark, it is recorded in the internet as cache, and some archived it in their site. Which means the foolish things you say even back at Trevvy can still be read here. Even the video of just how much you "love" those poor poor gays and lesbians who you claim their goal in life is "just sexuality not Jesus". This is becoming an embarrassment for you, do you not think so? Brother in Christ is a wicked label. You are definitely not a Christian. A believer in Christ bear good fruits. Yours are of deception, coercing, indoctrination, brainwashing, lying, misrepresention, miseducation... All affects the LGBT community.... At least you finally calling me by the right pronoun now. It is too bad. Thousands have saw how you disrespectfully call me "instrument of the devil" and using disrespectful pronouns when addressing me. So calling me sis now like you know me so well; it is so too late for you. You should have the decency to stop parroting rubbish about gays, lesbians and transgenders when I told you to. My reputation is by my word and truth. I am so sorry for you. You scarred your ownface. So go and get a life now. Dear “Edison Chong” aka Edmund and Amuamanda Smith,

If you wish to continuously pretend you had done something in my life and act like you had been a hero of some sort, the first thing to do is to be cautious with what you say, especially to a person who still loves what you are doing in other aspects of your ministry, like for the deaf. But I can see I made another wrong sentimental choice in buying a ticket for your RLM annual dinner which I did not attend (can I have a refund?).

If you wish to sway people’s opinion about me, you have to stop lying. That means you should stop spamming sites using a dozen different identities using the same computer (did you not learn from two years back at Trevvy, formerly SGBoyz when they banned you for spamming?) just to impress people as if there you have tons of ex-gays under your ministry. Mind you, I have spies in your very church in Melaka. I know you only have a few celibate so called “successes” like Jerry See Toh; that goes back to more lying you had done for ages now since you started. I went to your ministry thinking you would help me get rid of the things that was brainwashed into me for boyhood like alcohol and cigarettes, unfortunately you had every intention of getting rid of my “gender confused” female self.

Ungrateful? You can stop your lies now. Every word you say in this age is now scrutinized by intelligent people who question what is going on. You forgot that whenever you leave a remark, it is recorded in the internet as cache, and some archived it in their site. Which means the foolish things you say even back at Trevvy can still be read here. Even the video of just how much you “love” those poor poor gays and lesbians who you claim their goal in life is “just sexuality not Jesus”. This is becoming an embarrassment for you, do you not think so? Brother in Christ is a wicked label. You are definitely not a Christian. A believer in Christ bear good fruits. Yours are of deception, coercing, indoctrination, brainwashing, lying, misrepresention, miseducation… All affects the LGBT community….

At least you finally calling me by the right pronoun now. It is too bad. Thousands have saw how you disrespectfully call me “instrument of the devil” and using disrespectful pronouns when addressing me. So calling me sis now like you know me so well; it is so too late for you. You should have the decency to stop parroting rubbish about gays, lesbians and transgenders when I told you to. My reputation is by my word and truth. I am so sorry for you. You scarred your ownface. So go and get a life now.

]]> By: Edison Chong http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-662 Edison Chong Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:09:08 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-662 I never met anyone as ungrateful as you. That is my conclusion. Sorry to say. And this will be the last time I will even read this page of yours. So dear sis - don't bother to respond to me here. Your brother in Christ, Edison I never met anyone as ungrateful as you. That is my conclusion. Sorry to say. And this will be the last time I will even read this page of yours. So dear sis – don’t bother to respond to me here.
Your brother in Christ,
Edison

]]> By: Yuki Choe http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-618 Yuki Choe Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:25:10 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-618 Oh yes. One more thing Edison (if that is your real name), please look at Our Father, and think carefully of someone's financial contribution to RLM. Also, I think it is not exactly "emotional support" when you are called a sin for who you are and being simply dismiss transgenders as foolish, rite? Oh yes. One more thing Edison (if that is your real name), please look at Our Father, and think carefully of someone’s financial contribution to RLM.

Also, I think it is not exactly “emotional support” when you are called a sin for who you are and being simply dismiss transgenders as foolish, rite?

]]> By: Yuki Choe http://tiltedworld.org/2008/07/25/the-ex-gay-lifestyle/comment-page-1/#comment-616 Yuki Choe Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:04:52 +0000 http://tiltedworld.org/?p=63#comment-616 That is so low, Edison. Did you ask Gerard's permission to publish his number in discussions on LGBT issues? Do you wish to hear what Gerard told me about the circumstances leading to the employment? Edmund gave me the job to publicise to the whole world he is "helping me". He also did that to shut me up. Gerard himself vowed to not get involved within our views. RLM not force anyone to go straight? Can you substantiate that? Because I can substantiate with piles of self-advertising that he is. He is making parents force their children and church leaders asking their LGBT members to go. Oh yes, I have testimonies and evidences. Can you provide any? One more thing, I have been curious to compile a file on RLM's ex-gays. Do you mind if I research on it? I just need this figure. 1) How many attended RLM with the purpose of changing? 2) How many really changed (not celibate, or having complicated heterosexual relationships? 3) How many of these are really gays and not bisexuals or confused heterosexuals? Thanks. That is so low, Edison. Did you ask Gerard’s permission to publish his number in discussions on LGBT issues? Do you wish to hear what Gerard told me about the circumstances leading to the employment? Edmund gave me the job to publicise to the whole world he is “helping me”. He also did that to shut me up. Gerard himself vowed to not get involved within our views.

RLM not force anyone to go straight? Can you substantiate that? Because I can substantiate with piles of self-advertising that he is. He is making parents force their children and church leaders asking their LGBT members to go. Oh yes, I have testimonies and evidences. Can you provide any?

One more thing, I have been curious to compile a file on RLM’s ex-gays. Do you mind if I research on it? I just need this figure. 1) How many attended RLM with the purpose of changing? 2) How many really changed (not celibate, or having complicated heterosexual relationships? 3) How many of these are really gays and not bisexuals or confused heterosexuals? Thanks.

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